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Re: Getting Closer on 2.7
Reply #112 - Nov 21st, 2023 at 2:14pm
 
Sad to hear about Carsten. I was wondering where he had gone to.

I never got to buy him that beer I owe him Sad
  
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Reply #111 - Nov 17th, 2023 at 11:24pm
 
This news came as a terrible shock to me.  I was due to visit Carsten in Denmark on my European visit. He promised me some very fine whiskey.

Very, very sad indeed
  
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Since you mentioned Carsten ...
Reply #110 - Sep 19th, 2023 at 12:22am
 
Batchman wrote on Aug 9th, 2023 at 4:11pm:
... fond thoughts for those who have passed, or who've just fallen out of contact!

Since you mentioned Carsten, I sadly read the following post that was made by his son Morten that Carsten passed away on October 21, 2020.

https://www.facebook.com/dalgaard.carsten/posts/4983019858405090?ref=embed_post

I don't think I knew that Carsten had passed away until February 18, 2022. That's when I shared on my own Facebook page one of the last three posts that Carsten made before his death. I always loved his droll sense of humor, and that post made me laugh.

https://www.facebook.com/BillHMyers/posts/pfbid0d3WBFxLt9Dfb4VWB1oHdeJXHRpECJLEF...

It was probably then that I noticed a post made by Corey Chapman in that same thread that gave condolences to Carsten's son Morten who in turn posted a reply to Carsten.

Rest in peace!
  

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Re: Getting Closer on 2.7
Reply #109 - Aug 9th, 2023 at 4:11pm
 
I, too, have a more than 20 year history with YaBB. Somewhere in the last year, my last forum went dark. I don't even know why. One day it was working, the next day it was throwing up 500 errors.

I complained to my hosting company (I hadn't touched any of the code in more than a decade, so it wasn't a change on my side. It had to be something they had changed on their perl install or something like that.)

On the negative side, they had no belief that anything had changed in their servers. On the positive side, they went out and got a copy of the latest release YaBB software, installed it, and moved all of the messages of my forum over, which is FAR above and beyond the expected level of support on a cheap (something like $5 a month hosting plan) server place. Unfortunately, it had none of the mods that made my forum home to me, and many of them were not available on the newest release, which is why I wasn't using it.

But to a great extent, forums are not used nearly as much as they once were, and I have to admit my forum was dead long before it died. Had been a year since the last post, and in the year prior it probably got 6 or 7 posts for the whole year.

Many fond memories for many great people! Still wish Carsten a yearly birthday wish, but fond thoughts for those who have passed, or who've just fallen out of contact!
  

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Re: Getting Closer on 2.7
Reply #108 - Mar 23rd, 2023 at 5:05pm
 
Pieszyce wrote on Mar 19th, 2023 at 9:18pm:
Good luck and so long

Thank you for your update. I always appreciate feedback from other YaBB users. It's very helpful. Smiley
  

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Re: Getting Closer on 2.7
Reply #107 - Mar 19th, 2023 at 9:18pm
 
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I realize this won't be much of a consolation to you, but a lot of webmasters administered their entire websites through their YaBB forums. When that software failed, or when it became obsolete, and inoperable, their websites were effectively shuttered.


My websites are separate from YaBB. For the websites I have wordpress and discussions are not possible there, that is closed, is also different news on it than I post on the forum. So that's just the problem. I use everything separated to avoid this, the bolded in the quote, more work but safer. Cool

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The solution? Create a new index page, explain what happened, and tell your website's visitors to stay tuned.


That new Index https://forum.polenforum.nl/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl has been around since December 2022. That's the modified index from the emptied forum, after I made the backup and had another backup made by the host (his last one), which he sent me as a rar. Smiley

I can see it, I'm now going to spend a few weeks solidly translating and working on the Html library, but the original backups will last forever, after all, you never know, won't be the first time a developer group quit and revert to something from the past to improve it.

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Re: Getting Closer on 2.7
Reply #106 - Mar 19th, 2023 at 8:15pm
 
From my perspective, it seems that you're headed in the right direction when it comes to your dilemma with YaBB.

The information that I have in the YaBB forum that I operate is hardly important since it's just an entertainment portal that's specific to one production, i.e., it's simply being used as reference points. The sudden loss of that forum wouldn't shutter the production even though it would be an unwanted, and major inconvenience.

In your case, all of that translated news about Poland, including all countries in Central and Eastern Europe seems to be very important information. I'm glad that you have backups of it all; at least 80% of it.

Regarding the backup you have of YaBB on your PC, I hope it's not just the actual YaBB backup. In other words, I hope it's a backup of your actual files. My preference is to use WinSCP for my backups. Flat files have the advantage of being searchable, which can be very helpful.

By the way, like you, even though I'm on my cell phone a lot, I'm a desktop guy. That's my preference. I think a lot of people are that way even though the stats I've seen over the years show that websites are mostly accessed by smart phones. Of course, as you pointed out, discussions are few these days because the keys are too small for long posts.

Luckily, though, pinching & resizing a smart phone's screen makes reading a YaBB forum pretty easy to do. It's not mobile ready like phpBB or SMF are, but it's not that big of a deal for me.

Pieszyce wrote on Mar 19th, 2023 at 3:53pm:
This is very easily said, you should say that to a city library one day when it is totally burned down.

Ironically, your example of a city library burning down is exactly what happened to the Central Library in downtown Los Angeles in 1986. I remember it well. That fire damaged more than one million books. The library was closed for seven years. Particularly for the employees, it was a devastating loss. A lof them suffered anxiety, and depression because they were no longer serving the public.

There's an African proverb that says, "When an old man dies, a library burns to the ground."

I realize this won't be much of a consolation to you, but a lot of webmasters administered their entire websites through their YaBB forums. When that software failed, or when it became obsolete, and inoperable, their websites were effectively shuttered.

The solution? Create a new index page, explain what happened, and tell your website's visitors to stay tuned.

For me personally, a setback like losing a YaBB forum will inspire me to change operations for the better. I won't like it, and I'll surely complain like you're rightfully doing, but my intention will be to continue to see the glass as half full.

You seem to be the kind of person who figures things out. After all, you've already come up with solutions to your dilemma with YaBB. Smiley

Take care.
  

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Re: Getting Closer on 2.7
Reply #105 - Mar 19th, 2023 at 3:53pm
 
Welcome to the club, I have the same half-full glass.  Wink

The problem is, you don't understand what MY problem is. My forum contains translated news about Poland and actually about all countries in Central and Eastern Europe, I translate articles 13 hours a day about what happens there, from Polish to Dutch. Discussions are few these days, now that everyone has a smarttphone because the keys are too small for long posts so people prefer not to write too much. I am a desktop guy and will never change that.

Since YaBB forums are now at risk of failing, it is untenable and too much of a risk for me to continue with that software, because I could suddenly lose EVERYTHING. Also what was on the forum as history. 18 years of information is now 80% stored on the PC via a backup the rest is on a forum with other software. From that 80% we are going to grind html pages and place them in a kind of library, unimportant news is deleted. If YaBB had NOT stopped, I would not have had to do this now, as this is extra and very much work.

Converters are not there, otherwise I would have used them. If one wants help, some ask for a fortune.  >Sad

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If or when it does stop working, I'll adapt just as I have with everything else that's become obsolete over the years. Change isn't always easy to accept even when that change is good. But change is inevitable.


This is very easily said, you should say that to a city library one day when it is totally burned down.
Oh, I certainly know what change can mean. After 20 years of municipal politics as a city councilman and alderman, I have experienced enough change.
 
However, a forum with the work I do there is totally different. I just can't access and edit a huge amount of posts down through the forum, as said over 18 years of translation work and historiography on Poland gone. It exists only in a backup. THAT Mr. Myers is MY reason for complaining. Your forums I do not know, my forum has a team of people working on it and every day, two have already left because their work is no longer visible. NOW my host no longer wants Perl on his server it is all over and out. Oh yes, sure, I can get another host. But with the uncertainty of whether YaBB will remain stable for the first 10 years, that's a change risk. Not EVERY CHANGE IS AN IMPROVEMENT.

I'll leave it at this.

I wish you continued enjoyment  Smiley
  
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Re: Getting Closer on 2.7
Reply #104 - Mar 15th, 2023 at 7:20pm
 
Pieszyce wrote on Mar 14th, 2023 at 7:01pm:
I put THEM  Cry Cry in the text because I feel sad about the way everything ends, 18 years I worked with YaBB and really liked it, but now there were problems with videos, only You Tube went well, the rest did not.

I understand. I felt sad about it all, too. Cry

The thing is, I'm one of those the glass is half full kind of people, which is why I choose to stick with YaBB even when I also had some issues with it (including issues with videos, which I worked out on my own).

After all, from my generally positive point of view, YaBB was always superior in regard to the way that I used it; better than any of the other forums out there for me personally. It didn't need to literally be the best; just the best for me. Even if the YaBB forum I still operate stopped working today, and I'm unable to fix it, it had an amazing 21+ year run.

If or when it does stop working, I'll adapt just as I have with everything else that's become obsolete over the years. Change isn't always easy to accept even when that change is good. But change is inevitable.
  

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Re: Getting Closer on 2.7
Reply #103 - Mar 15th, 2023 at 6:58pm
 
Pieszyce wrote on Mar 14th, 2023 at 7:01pm:
Why did you change the smileys in the quote?

Just so you know, I didn't change the smilies in your quote. I used the Mark and Quote feature.

I didn't realize that there's a glitch in this forum while using that feature (at least in Preview mode).  Smiley

Please see the EDIT in my post in which I manually corrected that glitch. Thank you.
  

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Reply #102 - Mar 15th, 2023 at 5:25pm
 
Hi,

We had coppermine 10 years ago, always caused conflicts, so we stopped doing that.

We were also convinced of YaBB, if we hadn't been, we would have switched 15 years ago when the rumbling with Hemel and others started, beating a dead horse is a lot of work.

SMF not German? And this then? https://download.simplemachines.org/index.php?languages;id=21

A very good friend of ours in the US also has a forum, was close to 500,000 and then decided with his team to delete everything that was nonsense and not important in the forum, important things have been moved to a shadow forum and put on the originally contains two lines of text and a link to the shadow forum. But I'm not worried about that, before I reach 100,000 again we will be at least 4 years later and for me it's time to stop.

But now I have another problem. In 2011, my new host hosted my forum at OVH SAS in Roubaix France, without my knowledge. Since this company caused too much turmoil and I had to block every time scipting through them, I demanded from my host that I migrate to the Netherlands with all the websites I have.

You can, but on their own servers they don't accept CGI-Bin and Perl, so that's another problem to continue with YaBB. OVH now has a Cloud, well I really don't want to sit there any more, as also with Cloudflare. The last one I had for 2 years, but the way they work, caused regular outages, downtimes off 2 days and spam attacks, is easy to block with YaBB, but rather not.

So I think I'll unsubscribe here soon, because I can't use it anymore, first wait and see what a wealthy friend of ours is researching, my own server where and my sites and forum are on it. But that will take a while.

Greetings  Wink
  
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Re: Getting Closer on 2.7
Reply #101 - Mar 15th, 2023 at 2:08pm
 
Pieszyce wrote on Mar 14th, 2023 at 7:16pm:
From June 2022, I sent you at least 5 PBs asking how far along you were and if you could help me restore the video capabilities so that I could embed all videos and not just YT.


If I could have, I would have helped you. I solved the problem in another way. Simply put it in the forum via a coppermine gallery and then an icon. That works fine.

https://coppermine-gallery.net/

Sure, you're right, there are still errors, but I can't solve them myself, only a coder can do that and that's not me. Incidentally, I was a moderator in the YaBB forum, although I actually only looked after the German-speaking ones and I even went so far as to install the forum for the members and that without money. I was simply convinced of YaBB. Nobody warned me that it would end like this. I'm pissed off myself, but I'm still trying to make the best of it as far as I can.

I admit that I also toyed with the idea of doing something with SMF. They still don't have a German language website, but YaBB does, at least in the YaBB forum. However, what's stopping me is the SQL database. While this makes the forum a little faster, it is limited. Wait what happens when you have 500000 in 50000 threads and you have to reset the forum. Have fun, I'm done. Since flat file is much easier.

I just play that up, rebuild the topic index and that's it. So why should I open up more work in this direction? Sure, I can understand Dandello too, she puts in a lot of work and gets nothing for it. But is money everything? Everyone has to decide the question for themselves.

However, what I miss with YaBB is a mobile template. Maybe I can persuade Dandello to do one.
  

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Re: Getting Closer on 2.7
Reply #100 - Mar 14th, 2023 at 7:16pm
 
pyragony54 wrote on Mar 14th, 2023 at 6:01pm:
As I already wrote, I don't really need YaBB 2.7. YaBB 2.6.12 runs very stable and it will not crash. Almost 500,000 entries and almost 50,000 topics are probably the best proof. The forum runs very fast thanks to Cloudflare's nameservers and will continue to do so in the future.

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Hi,

From June 2022, I sent you at least 5 PBs asking how far along you were and if you could help me restore the video capabilities so that I could embed all videos and not just YT.

Given that I got no response, not even responses on Dandelloo's forum. That was the trigger that made the Poland forum team decide to switch to the new system.

As written, I have a complete backup of YaBB from November 2022, but I don't think the team will want to go back again and help me transfer the already over 2,500 new post again.

I think they will say to me Too LATE, I also still do not understand why more registered members of this forum are not responding to what is happening.

Regards
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Reply #99 - Mar 14th, 2023 at 7:01pm
 
Why did you change the smileys in the quote?

I put THEM  Cry Cry  in the text because I feel sad about the way everything ends, 18 years I worked with YaBB and really liked it, but now there were problems with videos, only You Tube went well, the rest did not. Dandelloo knew that but had no solution.

Furthermore, I can tell you that I am aware of everything, because I already worked with Yabb in 2004, was a member of the YaBB Support Forum, had contact with Ene Lee, JonB who installed the first version for me against payment, Spikecity who my contact was because of our nationality. I was there when you spoke out against what was wrong. I was ONLINE at the time, I made contact asking to respect your opinion, but they didn't want that. So I am aware of everything, including that a Dutchman, a Groningen man named Hemel stubbornly stopped. I always said, the beginning of the end was caused by him. Even Spike agreed.

So I'm not going to answer the rest because it makes no sense.

Since I had bugs and problems with version 2.6.12 and my question to Dandelloo to install 2.7 but didn't answer, our team switched to the new system (Won't name the name) I've done that with many reluctantly, but because no one could or wanted to help me with the news videos (important to me) it became a new forum.
I still have a full backup of the old one, but I don't know if I still feel like going back since the new one already has over 2,500 posts.

If I hadn't received an email from pyragony54 about HIS forum and how far along it was, we probably wouldn't even be writing here today.

Furthermore, everyone has their own way of using a Yabb forum, one as a social medium, me to post translated news, without having to start an extra medium.

This is now My Beloved YaBB forum, https://forum.polenforum.nl/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl . As you can see a dead Horse.

Have a nice day, I'll leave it at that.
  
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Re: Getting Closer on 2.7
Reply #98 - Mar 14th, 2023 at 6:01pm
 
As I already wrote, I don't really need YaBB 2.7. YaBB 2.6.12 runs very stable and it will not crash. Almost 500,000 entries and almost 50,000 topics are probably the best proof. The forum runs very fast thanks to Cloudflare's nameservers and will continue to do so in the future.

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