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Hi Dandello,

When someone installs 2.7, is there any help when bugs appear or does support stop as well?

Now my forum is still fairly stable, but how long will that take and if there is no help how can we proceed? Stop everything?

Sorry if I'm a nuisance, but 18 years of work is in danger of breaking. 

Puppy is doing fine but is a handful (Shetland Sheepdogs are NOT low energy dogs and Georgette has discovered that the yard includes the neighbors cats who don't really want to play dog games with her.)

Jon B has not gotten back.

2.7 will be the last unless someone steps up to help with coding and updating to new Perl versions.

All I ask is no flaming one another and we put comments, recommendations, regarding other software into: Converting to other software

Pieszyce wrote on Jun 5^th, 2022 at 11:26am:

That's an excellent point. I only mentioned phpBB so that you could compare the two. SMF seems like the best for you, so you might as well stick to that.

Speaking of which, there's a new member here who could be very helpful.

Oldiesmann wrote on Jun 5^th, 2022 at 6:43pm:

Pieszyce wrote on Jun 4^th, 2022 at 2:48pm:

Given that there's really nothing to promote, the so-called shrinking of YaBB's user base was inevitable. Speaking of promotion, it also didn't help that those in control of YaBB's support forum hardly promoted a friendly environment. People were routinely banned from participating in the forum, and respect for developers was lacking.

It was only a matter of time before developers pursued a different path, which is what happened when YaBB was forked off to create SMF. Jeff Lewis and Joseph Fung "did a complete rewrite of the code and changed the brand name to Simple Machines Forum (SMF). On September 30, 2003, the first "YaBB SE/SMF" product, SMF 1.0 Beta 1a, was released."

"The development and support team for YaBB SE was shut down in March 2004 with hundreds of communities in operation, when the developers joined the SMF project. A converter was developed to convert YaBB SE to SMF."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simple_Machines_Forum

On that note, when it comes to converters, what you saw is evidently correct.

Take this with a grain of salt, but for those who are still using YaBB after all of these years, my recommendation is to stick with it. After all, "If It Ain’t Broke, Don’t Fix It".

https://knowyourphrase.com/if-it-aint-broke-dont-fix-it#:~:text=Meaning%3A-,If%2...

Nonetheless, if one's schedule permits it, I still recommend that YaBB admins install phpBB as well as SMF. In other words, more or less mirror the topics you have in your YaBB forum, and then add/create some users with various permissions so that you can get acclimated to both.

Pieszyce wrote on Jun 2^nd, 2022 at 6:37pm:

The bottom line about YaBB is that it's no longer the #1 forum software no matter how much we may like it, and no matter how much we inexplicably claim that it's the best. Furthermore, our YaBB community has dwindled down to a very small handful of people, and the official YaBB support forum no longer exists.

Like you, I have a YaBB forum that's still operative, which went live on May 20, 2002. However, the hard truth is that YaBB hasn't had active development for many years now, which has effectively made it a relic. Keep in mind that PERL updates are inevitable, which means that YaBB's software needs to be updated along the way as well.

I'm reminded of my original iPad, which Apple hasn't updated its software in years, which means I can't do banking on it, etc. My solution has been to buy new iPads and iPhones along the way as needed to keep up with software updates, and compatibility.

Being mobile friendly is important, although YaBB actually operates just fine in a mobile environment. It's just not built for it, which in due time will likely present problems.

In regard to your aversion to cloud hosting with SSD drives, etc., that's the wave of the future. The downtime you experienced was surely because of bad management by your host; not cloud computing.

Pieszyce wrote on Jun 1^st, 2022 at 9:29pm:

Setting aside the fact that SMF is actually a fork of YaBB, albeit it's far advanced at this stage, you may want to take a look at the phpBB forum software.

I have test forums of both SMF and phpBB. I more or less mirrored my still existing YaBB forum, and my preference is phpBB. Keep in mind that those of us who've used YaBB for all of these many years will inherently like it better than any other forum if for no other reason than we're simply experienced with it.

Even now I still prefer the look of YaBB, in large part because I can very easily incorporate it into an HTML interface, which is very convenient. On the other hand, both SMF and phpBB are mobile friendly, and most traffic to all of our sites come from mobile devices.

The thing is, just because *I* think YaBB may be the best doesn't mean it is, and in fact, it isn't for a variety of reasons. Primarily, it's because development has more or less stagnated, and the "official" support forum has evidently been permanently shuttered.

I should point out that of all the people who participate here in Dandello's forum, I'm the least capable in terms of understanding how PERL works. So for me, the prudent thing to do is to have a contingency plan if, or when my YaBB forum becomes inoperable.

By the way, admins in phpBB can easily set the registration so that approvals have to be determined by admins before someone is registered. They can also set permissions for newly registered members that are more restrictive than regular members, etc., etc., etc. If I can figure this stuff out with phpBB, then the rest of you can surely figure it all out far better than me. But until you give it a serious try beyond the Demo that's provided, i.e., test it out yourself on your own site, and get acclimated to it, making a fair assessment isn't possible.

On an unrelated note, I recently switched a handful of my sites to a cloud server, which seems to be a prudent thing to do. So far, so good. However, because I like YaBB so much, I'm still using it on a dedicated server that I've had for over 20 years (different generations of it).

On a related note when it comes to changing "thousands of links" in a forum, I suppose the thing to do is to lock down one's YaBB forum as an archive of sorts, and start fresh with a new forum software of one's choice. That's what I'll likely end up doing if or when I officially switch to a phpBB forum.

One day at a time.

As for puppies, they're the greatest, and we don't need to know PERL to keep them happy.

@  pyragony54

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I understand you, template ism ok I don't care what color, because that's taste. But I really don't
like what comes next. Maybe because I normally work with DirectAdmin  at the server and
don't want a CPanel either.

Now it's going to be even harder to decide what to do. The developers should come back, that would
be the best solution so that Dandello doesn't have to do everything alone.

Now I already work 12 hours a day, that will be 14 hours if I want to get to know SMF.