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Reply #14 - yesterday at 5:11am
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It seems that you are basing your decision not to convert your forum to SMF at least in part on a misunderstanding about SQL databases: there is no 128 MB cap on their size. It is possible, however, that your hosting provider has imposed such a limit.

A few years ago, I moved my website and forum from a web hosting provider to my own virtual private server (VPS) running cPanel to avoid what I considered an unreasonable restriction (the blocking of visitors using the Tor network). The monthly cost is modest (about €30 per month), and I'm very glad now to have full control over size quotas and other limitations.

Before converting my forum from YaBB to SMF, I was encountering an issue that perhaps could be addressed in YaBB 2.7: the forum index would frequently become corrupted, which would result in some forum pages becoming inaccessible, and the list of recent posts would instead display very old posts. I would have to rebuild the forum index every few days.

I have noted a few advantages of SMF over YaBB with my own forum. Perhaps the most important is that the forum is now "mobile-responsive" and is easily readable on a smartphone. I've also been able to use an SMF mod (Optimus) to help optimize the forum for search engines. I also had Claude AI Opus 4.7 write a modification of the default SMF template to implement microdata tags to make message threads eligible for Google's Search's "rich results."

I imagine it would be possible to do all these things in YaBB 2.7 as well, and the AI tools you're using would presumably facilitate that.

I wish you many more years of health and happiness! (I'm 62 myself.)

One more thing about the conversion script that I mentioned earlier in this thread: it has a bug that causes regular users to be unable to post messages. Claud AI's Opus 4.7 helped me to quickly troubleshoot and fix the problem on my own forum, but the conversion script I've linked to on my website (georgemaschke [dot] net) still has the bug. Here is a summary that Claude generated for me:

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The YaBB-to-SMF 2.1 converter incorrectly assigned imported users' post-count group ID to both id_group and id_post_group in smf_members, rather than setting id_group = 0 (Regular Members) and letting id_post_group carry the post-count tier independently. The result: 6,000+ users had their primary group set to a post-count group like "New User," which doesn't carry the standard Regular Members permissions — so they couldn't view profiles, reply to posts, etc. The fix was a single UPDATE setting id_group = 0 for everyone in groups 12–17, followed by SMF's built-in post-group recount.

If you eventually decide to report this upstream, the SMF developers might appreciate knowing — it's the kind of bug that affects every YaBB migration silently, since admins (with id_group = 1) never experience the symptoms themselves.
  
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Reply #13 - May 26th, 2026 at 7:19pm
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I wish you and your colleagues all success with YaBB 2.7!

Perhaps an advanced AI model could help with troubleshooting any bugs you're encountering.


We’re going to pull this off—I’m confident of that. After all, YaBB 2.7 actually works. There is just one remaining issue: the conversion process from YaBB 2.6.12 is still causing some trouble, but we’ll get it sorted out. Everything in due time. We have a solid AI tool—which XTC (Xonder) from Austria sent me—and Geminie as well.
I’ve frequently been advised to switch to SMF (which, incidentally, comes from the original YaBB developers), but I won’t be doing that, and here is the reason why:
An SQL database has limitations—currently capped at 128 MB. Just imagine running a large forum like mine; if the server were to go belly-up, you’d face significant problems during the restoration process. I’ve already been through this ordeal with my image database (Coppermine). Although I had backups of the images themselves, the database file was so thoroughly corrupted that it was beyond repair. I had, in fact, been creating daily backups, but those files had long since exceeded the 64 MB limit that was in place at the time. Even that wouldn't have been an issue, however, had the database itself not been damaged.

But to get back to YaBB: YaBB utilizes a flat-file system. While flat-file storage is technically slower, if I have the right nameservers configured, it performs just as fast as a forum running on an SQL database. Compared to SMF, there is absolutely no loss in speed. Query tests have proven this to be true.

Finally—and on a personal note—I am 72 years old. I am in good health, and I intend to keep going. I have only this one life to live, but I know that YaBB will live on. The right people are in place to ensure that happens.

I hope the universe grants me the time to do so.

If you encounter any issues, please feel free to send me a message at any time. Something is truly dead only when it is killed from above—and that is something I will not accept.
  

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Reply #12 - May 26th, 2026 at 1:51pm
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I wish you and your colleagues all success with YaBB 2.7!

Perhaps an advanced AI model could help with troubleshooting any bugs you're encountering.
  
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Reply #11 - May 24th, 2026 at 10:47am
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A friend and I are currently working on YaBB 2.7.
We still want to fix a few minor bugs. If we succeed, we will keep YaBB alive. There will then be a new website, which I will announce here later. It will be primarily in German—though that doesn't mean aliens aren't welcome! I am doing this because YaBB still has many followers in Germany, and I support them; I don't want to simply abandon them.

Of course, I will test your program as soon as I have the time. At the moment, however, things aren't looking too good on that front.
  

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Reply #10 - May 6th, 2026 at 2:04pm
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As I noted in an update to my blog post, there may be an issue with conversion of private messages. One thing to look for is how well the senders and recipients are converted. I had issues with incoming PMs wrongly indicating the recipient to also be the sender, and with outgoing PMs wrongly indicating the sender to be the recipient. I thought I had this issue sorted, but it seems that the final version still had such problems, at least for some PMs.

Pretty much everything else seems to have carried over pretty well. Unfortunately, SMF doesn't have the equivalent of YaBB's highlight tag (of which I was fond), so highlighted text will simply become bold text in SMF.
  
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Reply #9 - May 6th, 2026 at 1:31pm
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Cool. I'll test it over the next few days and then report back.
  

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Reply #8 - May 4th, 2026 at 12:58pm
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Since I cannot post attachments, I direct readers to my personal website, where you will find a post about the YaBB to SMF conversion scripts that includes a download link. See the post dated 4 May 2026 on my personal website, georgemaschke [dot] net.
  
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Reply #7 - May 4th, 2026 at 11:38am
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Well, I've officially converted my YaBB 2.6.12 forum to SMF 2.1.7. Within-forum links are working, and a redirect script that Claude prepared sends anyone clicking on an old YaBB link to the corresponding SMF post. It appears that all posts (~45,000) and attachments (hundreds) have been preserved. You can see the result at:

antipolygraph [dot] org [forward slash] forum

I have a little more work to do on the documentation before publicly sharing the conversion scripts.
  
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Reply #6 - May 3rd, 2026 at 6:02am
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Once all is ready, I'm happy to share the code with all.
                     

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Reply #5 - May 1st, 2026 at 9:11am
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I've been running a YaBB forum since 2000 and have been happy with the software. However, as it seems that it is no longer actively maintained, I have decided to port it to Simple Machines Forum 2.1.7, which is in a sense descended from YaBB and has a familiar look and feel.

Unfortunately, the conversion tools available on GitHub from the SMF devs is dated (2022) and won't run under PHP 8. (I'm using PHP 8.2).

Fortunately, however, I've been able to use Anthropic's Claude AI to get their converters working under PHP 8.2. Claude has also addressed numerous issues that I found with the converter, and it's now working pretty well.

Most formatting (notably excluding highlight tags, which get converted to bold) is preserved, as are attachments, polls, and private messages.

Claude has also modified the converter to create a JSON file and a php script that can be used to redirect clicks for the old YaBB links to the corresponding new links on the SMF forum.

My YaBB forum doesn't have any mods, so I have addressed that contingency. But I'm asking Claude to make the code generally useful so that anyone with a YaBB forum running YaBB 2.6.x will be able to use the converter.

I'm making some final checks for any remaining glitches (I've been through 35 iterations of the converter thus far). Once all is ready, I'm happy to share the code with all.
  
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Re: Is YABB Still Alive
Reply #4 - Apr 25th, 2026 at 3:53am
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Although I haven't been here in a long time, I'd like to add my two cents.

I was furious when I finished the complete translation for YaBB 2.7 and it still wasn't released. That was hours of work for nothing. But anyway. I can probably rightfully claim to run the largest YaBB forum today. Over 60,000 topics with around 480,000 posts and about 850 forums and subforums are quite impressive. YaBB 2.6.12 is still running stably and quickly.

You just need decent nameservers, and I'm using Cloudflare. There are still two or three minor bugs. For example, I recently discovered that newer posts can't be appended to older ones. The window doesn't load completely. Strangely, this error only occurs very rarely. I simply reverse the process by placing the old post before the new one or copying it directly from the server. That works, albeit awkwardly. This bug should be fixed. An upgrade to Debian 13 is coming up soon, and I hope Perl doesn't cause any problems. So far, Perl updates have always gone smoothly. We, or rather a friend of mine, have also created a sitmap generator, which I actually wanted to publish here. But for whom? Nothing's happening with it anymore. Anyone interested is welcome to have it. Perhaps there's still room for improvement. Maybe we'll even finish YaBB 2.7. I don't know if it will be completed. I might also do the German translation for YaBB 2.6.12 (it's actually finished), I just need to reverse it. We'll see if I still have the energy for it. I'd switch to SMF, but there doesn't seem to be a usable conversion program, and archiving is simply impossible.

@ Dandello

Let's at least fix the bugs, and that's that. Then YaBB can run for many more years.


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Ich war zwar auch schon lange nicht mehr hier, möchte aber abschließend auch meinen Senf dazugeben.
Stinksauer war ich, als ich als ich die vollständige Übersetzung für YaBB 2.7 fertig hatte und sie dann doch nicht erschien. Das waren Stunden an Arbeit für nichts. Aber egal. Mit Recht kann ich wohl heute behaupten, das wohl größte YaBB-Forum zu betreiben. Über 60000 Themen mit über rund 480000 Beiträgen und rund 850 Foren und Unterforen sind wohl als enorm zu betrachten. YaBB 2.6.12 läuft immer noch stabil und schnell.
Man braucht nur anständige Nameserver wobei ich hier Cloudflare verwende. Zwei bis drei kleine Bugs sind noch vorhanden. So habe ich vor kurzem festgestellt, dass neuere Beiträge nicht an alte anfügen lassen. Das Fenster baut nicht vollständig auf. Dieser Fehler kommt komischerweise nur sehr selten vor. Ich drehe das ganze einfach um, indem ich den alten Beitrag einfach vor den neuen setze oder kopiere direkt vom Server. Das funktioniert, wenn auch umständlich. Diesen Bug sollte man noch beheben. Demnächst steht ein upgrade auf Debian 13 an und ich hoffe, dass PERL keine Probleme macht. Bisher liefen die PERL-updates immer problemlos. Wir haben auch, bzw ein Freund von mir, hat einen Sitmapgenerator gebastelt, den ich eigentlich hier veröffentlichen wollte. Aber für wen? Es passiert ja nichts mehr. Wer Interesse daran hat, kann ihn gerne haben. Vielleicht kann man auch noch einiges verbessern. Vielleicht werden wir noch YaBB 2.7 fertigstellen. Ob er es schafft, weiß ich nicht. Vielleicht werde ich noch für YaBB 2.6.12 die deutsche Übersetzung machen (sie ist eigentlich fertig), ich muß sie nur rückabwickeln. Mal sehen, ob ich noch Lust dazu habe. Ich würde ja auf SMF umsteigen, aber ein brauchbares Konvertierungsprogramm scheint es nicht zu geben und eine Archivierung ist einfach nicht möglich.

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lasse uns wenigstens die Bugs beheben und gut ist es. Dann kann YaBB noch viele Jahre laufen.
  

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Re: Is YABB Still Alive
Reply #3 - Apr 13th, 2026 at 8:58pm
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Dandello wrote on Apr 13th, 2026 at 12:09pm:
In fact, come the new year, I expect I will be mothballing all my own YaBB forums due to lack of visitors.

I hope you'll reconsider shuttering your forums, but I can certainly empathize with that sentiment.

After almost 22 years of operation, the busiest, and most popular YaBB 2.4 forum that I operated finally stopped working in December 2023 due to a "500 Internal Server Error" that was generated when it could no longer run on a newly installed, and updated version of Perl. I had been expecting that to happen for some time.

The thing is, I really only created that particular forum to better manage updates to a popular site that's been operating since 1997. The public chat part of that YaBB 2.4 forum was simply a nice benefit that wasn't really needed, so I didn't move on to another forum software.

As I'm guessing you already know quite well, shortly after the release of YaBB 1.0, YaBB's development team broke apart to create a second program called YaBB SE 1, which was released on November 12, 2001.

Subsequently, though, the development and support team for YaBB SE was shut down in March 2004 with hundreds of communities in operation. That's when those YaBB developers joined the SMF project. A converter was also developed to convert YaBB SE to SMF (Simple Machines Forum).

Even though I decided not to move on to another forum software, as an experiment I installed both a SMF forum, and a phpBB forum. I prefer the phpBB forum software.

Like Derek more or less pointed out, Facebook and other social networking services effectively took the place of chat forums like Yabb a long time ago, which is why I decided not to utilize either a SMF or phpBB forum for any of the websites that I still operate. The forums I have online are simply experimental.

In any case, YaBB's development fascinated me, even to its end. Had I the knowledge that you have when it comes to coding, I very likely would have continued YaBB's development in some fashion as its original software (and mission) allowed, and encouraged.

After all, despite what's taken over when it comes to social media, I still believe that the structure of chat forums are superior to the kind of social media that's popular today.

What I'm reminded of is videotape technology of which VHS became the most popular media format for VCRs even though Betamax was superior. Of course, the last remaining VCR manufacturer ceased production in 2016, so even that battle in the history of technology is no longer relevant.

If you do make the final decision to shutter your forums, your legacy of keeping YaBB alive longer than it otherwise would have been kept alive is a legacy of which to be proud. Kudos to all that you did.  Cool
  

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Reply #2 - Apr 13th, 2026 at 1:50pm
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You know I often sit back and wonder what happened to everyone that was involved in the creation of YaBB back from the early 2000’s.

There were some amazing developers and mod writers many of them who helped me out along the way in the early days.

When it first appeared YaBB was amazing.  The concept still is and I know my forum has the most expansive knowledge of of Australian Camp Oven History.

I am 73 now and I guess I will keep persevering until I can no longer or I guess until YaBB will no longer run on the newer updated versions of perl.

Good to hear from you Dandello.
  
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Reply #1 - Apr 13th, 2026 at 12:09pm
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Discord has taken over the niche on tech related items (games, etc.).

And YaBB is pretty much dead. After the original YaBB site went dark, this became the only YaBB support site. Not to harp on personal difficulties but neither my current computer, nor my health could keep going with YaBB.

In fact, come the new year, I expect I will be mothballing all my own YaBB forums due to lack of visitors.

  

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Apr 13th, 2026 at 2:56am
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A real lack of posts for many months on here.

Is YABB still alive?  I know my little forum is still struggling along.  It seems Facebook and all those other social media’s have taken over.   Smiley
  
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