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Reply #55 - Jul 31st, 2014 at 6:29pm
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Monni wrote on Jul 31st, 2014 at 5:55pm:
Less problems than with flat files and Perl.


I know. As can quickly once a contribution to Nirvana disappear when one is in the move too fast. Everything already happened. YaBB 3 was started several years ago, but never completed. The cost certainly many users. It has always promised but never completed. The unfinished version you can download today in the SVN.
  

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Reply #54 - Jul 31st, 2014 at 5:55pm
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pyragony54 wrote on Jul 31st, 2014 at 5:38pm:
Monni wrote on Jul 31st, 2014 at 2:57pm:
I'm using real databases (MySQL)


As I preach been 3 years back (or are already there four?)
Since Dandello YaBB knew you likely do not.


All my forums are using latest version of YaBB SE which uses MySQL and PHP... Less problems than with flat files and Perl.
  
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Reply #53 - Jul 31st, 2014 at 5:38pm
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Monni wrote on Jul 31st, 2014 at 2:57pm:
I'm using real databases (MySQL)


As I preach been 3 years back (or are already there four?)
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Reply #52 - Jul 31st, 2014 at 5:30pm
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And internally Perl uses Unicode.
  

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Reply #51 - Jul 31st, 2014 at 5:26pm
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Dandello wrote on Jul 31st, 2014 at 4:51pm:
But we still have a problem with multiple encodings in data. And that's where going to UTF-8 will make sense. The non-Latin-1 encoding is still very much a work in progress.


I have never been fan of UTF-8 or other variable-length character encodings... I mainly use Latin-1 and UCS-2 (not to be confused with UTF-16). Mapping between Latin-1 and UCS-2 is one-to-one... No conversion needed ever Smiley Only drawback is that case conversion and sorting only works if the scripting language internally uses UCS-2 or UCS-4.
  
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Reply #50 - Jul 31st, 2014 at 4:51pm
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But we still have a problem with multiple encodings in data. And that's where going to UTF-8 will make sense. The non-Latin-1 encoding is still very much a work in progress.
  

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Reply #49 - Jul 31st, 2014 at 2:57pm
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Dandello wrote on Jul 31st, 2014 at 2:36pm:

In terms of the Language packs - we're in transition. We needed to support old data encodings while transitioning to UTF-8 (Which we're going to need when YaBB develops a version using 'real' databases.) That's what 3.0 was supposed to do but didn't do well.


I'm using real databases (MySQL) and Latin-1... Works 100%...
  
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Reply #48 - Jul 31st, 2014 at 2:36pm
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Monni wrote on Jul 31st, 2014 at 2:01pm:
Words like "should" and "will" are the ones that repel forum admins away from YaBB... For every new version there is some forums that decide not to upgrade because new version removes some feature that they think is essential.


In terms of the Language packs - we're in transition. We needed to support old data encodings while transitioning to UTF-8 (Which we're going to need when YaBB develops a version using 'real' databases.) That's what 3.0 was supposed to do but didn't do well.

Our big issue with transitioning is that there's currently no good way to convert encoding on old data that has multiple embedded encodings. Once we have that licked (if it can be) then converting old encodings will become part of the 'convert old boards' process. Admins won't have to worry about 'should' or 'will'.

@ThM - your observations are great - it tells us where our explanation of new features needs to be better.

Guys - It's actually a mystery as to why a mixed encoding should break 'Male' and 'Female' in the vars files. Logically, those should both be simple ASCII and should encode the same in ISO-8859-1 and UTF-8. But obviously that assumption is wrong. (JonB and I went into the encoding issue thinking it would be simple. We now both feel we've entered uncharted territory where every native tells us something different - and they all want us to fall over a cliff.)
  

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Reply #47 - Jul 31st, 2014 at 2:01pm
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Words like "should" and "will" are the ones that repel forum admins away from YaBB... For every new version there is some forums that decide not to upgrade because new version removes some feature that they think is essential.
  
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Reply #46 - Jul 31st, 2014 at 1:55pm
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It was not my intention to create a problem what maybe does not exists, but I thought it is important to know that there are difficulties here and there, and the user is in an important topic to point out what they like to do.
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Reply #45 - Jul 31st, 2014 at 1:42pm
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To make things even more complicated  - on a brand new forum even with multiple language packs, you can (and should) use UTF-8 for all of the Language Packs.  (For instance here we've been all UTF-8 from the start.) Notepad++ does a pretty good job converting YaBB Language Packs.

Support for the other encodings is for if you are upgrading an old forum that already has non-UTF-8 characters hiding in the various data files. Most all English forums can just change the encoding. It's the languages with the upper ASCII characters that have to have their data converted from ISO-1189-1 to UTF-8.

Once we have a reliable converter that can handle things like YaBB Forum's ancient data, everything will go to UTF-8 and then Андрей will be able to read his name even when in not in Russian.
  

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Reply #44 - Jul 31st, 2014 at 12:51pm
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@ThM There is two versions of language packs for all languages except English... One for cases where there is only one language pack installed, and one for cases where there is multiple language packs installed. UTF-8 works best when there is multiple language packs with conflicting primary character encoding.
  
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Reply #43 - Jul 31st, 2014 at 11:32am
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I'm a little confused. Ok, there's a German language files in utf-8 and iso-8859-1. Why? If utf-8 is to be used, then why is there the German files also in iso-8859-1 format? Is it the same in English or any other language as well?

And by the way. It should be gone by two German language files. One variant, namely German-You will do just fine. In no other language I've ever seen one exists  two language version.

Two translations makes too much work for one alone and is unnecessary.

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I'm using the latest build version from this board .... build 1519  or so, don't know..
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I've changed the board settings from utf-8 to iso-8859-1. Now all works fine, but how xonder write, using different settings without errors on saving (User Profil settings) not possible.

thanks for your hard work on the new yabb  Smiley

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Reply #42 - Jul 30th, 2014 at 7:30pm
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I think we need to make the warning about not mixing character encodings even stronger.

I do have a YaBB language converter that can convert ISO-8869-1 encoded forums to UTF-8 (and it seems to do an okay job). BUT, mixed encoding forums like YaBB Forum don't do well with automatic conversion utiities - even Notepad++ chokes on some of the files there.

  

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Reply #41 - Jul 30th, 2014 at 6:49pm
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Hi

We have had this problem .... and point it out in the Bug Forum

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You can not use UTF-8 setting and a German ANSI Language Pack! .... you must take the UTF-8 version.

Can find it here (but i think it is not the actual SVN Build version  Huh

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